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Old 08-20-2007, 08:26 AM
Amos and Andy Amos and Andy is offline
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We deeply respect the moral decisions that those within the county who abstain from imbibing alcohol of any kind in this county have taken. It is a perfectly valid personal decision to not drink alcohol in this county. However, there in is the crux of the issue. It is a personal decision. This country was once comprised of people like us who believed in the independent spirit. As long as it didn't harm me or infrindge upon my personal rights then it was ok. However, those days of America the Republic are gone. Now we have come to the issue of alcohol by the drink in Fannin County. We have heard from the supporters of the beer/wine agenda. We have been given the economic reasons why beer/wine (now liquor) would have a positive effect for the county. We have even read words from the Gilmer County Commissioner begging us to change our minds in order to keep Fannin Taxes flowing into his county. But my question to the members of the Fannin CountyTemperance Movement is this: What is the alternative?

We would like to hear what their proposals are for reviving the local economy?

We would like to hear what their ideas are for keeping taxes low?

We would like to hear what their thoughts are for trying to bring industry into this county?

There is good news if we remain with status quo. Whenever we meet at one of the numerous "burger joints" in Fannin there is no worry of seating. However, I do have to wait for some time outside of Longhorn's and Ruby Tuesday's in Ellijay. We no longer have to worry about rebuilding any houses as we can just choose from any of the near thousand "spec" homes currently sitting empty on the market.

As natives of Fannin County we understand the idea for keeping Fannin County as a pristine mountain town. However, the one thing we can never stop is progress. Atlanta is pushing further north everyday. Those of you who think it can be stopped are decieving yourselves. You cannot stop progress! The only thing you can do is regulate it. This idea of keeping a 21st Century Fannin County in the mid-20th Century timeframe is a ludicrous archaic notion. You have to adjust with progress or be crushed under its colossal influence.

That being said I beg of anyone out there who is against the idea of having alcohol by-the-drink in Fannin County to answer our question: What is the alternative?
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Old 08-21-2007, 12:53 PM
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It's so simple to be wise. Just think of something stupid to say and then don't say it.
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Old 08-21-2007, 06:02 PM
Kip Draper Kip Draper is offline
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As natives of Fannin County we understand the idea for keeping Fannin County as a pristine mountain town. However, the one thing we can never stop is progress. Atlanta is pushing further north everyday. Those of you who think it can be stopped are decieving yourselves. You cannot stop progress! The only thing you can do is regulate it.
Great post and a great few sentences there; you get it and it's quite refreshing coming from a native. I grew up in ATL; there ain't no stopping her. Anybody with an open mind can see plain as day we're pushing for the lesser of two evils. The others will hang on to zero tolerance until it's 100% tolerance by law.

I'll shut up now and listen to the sounds of crickets while I await an alternative tact from the locals. Thanks again for a good post.
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Old 08-23-2007, 12:12 PM
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Thanks. I just get tired of people advocating that beer and wine is a "sinful" moral issue. Since when does an inert liquid become a moral crisis? Morality refers to the concept of human action which pertains to matters of right and wrong (Good and Evil if you will). Morality is based upon individual personal principles. It pains me to realize that today in our country individualism is viewed a truly irrelevant concept. This great republic was founded by great individuals who believed in the idea of true freedom. We are a republic not a democracy (MOB RULE). But I digress.

The issue at hand with alcohol by the drink is one of pure economics. Tourism is the main (some say the only) industry in Fannin County. We have the little quaint shops and the views to bring the people to us. But when you drive for 100 miles or more for the spectacular scenery do you really want to embark on the gastronomic conundrum of which burger place that you want to settle for. NO!! You want a juicy rib eye, you want some shrimp pasta, and you want a nice beer or glass of wine to go with it. The biggest problem that I have is that opponents of alcohol b-the-drink have no qualms about going to a restaurant in another county eating their steaks or chicken with sweet tea (some with beer or wine) in an establishment that sells alcohol. However, they for some reason do not want the same opportunity for Fannin County. I, being a native, cannot express how many times over the years I have overheard or even spoken with visitors to our great county inquiring as to where they can get a nice dinner and something to drink only to see the bewilderment come to their faces as they realize that its an afternoons journey to find the object of their desire. Its economics folks! Supply and Demand! The tourists demand the ability to have a drink if they wish, and it is the duty of the business leaders and county administrators to supply them with what they request.

That being said the idea that alcohol is a "sin" is such a farce that it pains me to even give attention to it. Alcohol is a lifeless substance. It has been on this earth since pre-history. Alcohol within itself cannot corrupt. It is a substance with out purpose other than drinking. To corrupt something must have a driving force a sense of self and a sense of others. However, I know that all of this is falling on deaf ears. I'm a believing Baptist myself, but I know that most parishioners in our local churches pay more attention to the church covenants and by-laws than what is found in the pages of the Bible.

The main thing to remember from this whole debate is that the United States of America was formed by people who wanted the opportunity to make individual decisions about their life and not be told by a controlling force. Many individuals like me want the same thing for the citizens and visitors to Fannin County. Give us all a chance to make a choice. If you feel strongly that you will not give money to a facility that sells alcohol then do just that. Stand up for your own individual principles and do not monetarily support a business. There will still be places that will not serve alcohol for you and others who believe as strongly as yourself to frequent.
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Old 08-27-2007, 06:58 AM
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Well the word on the street is that many of the church leaders are about to embark on their temperance crusade to stop the evil, evil alcohol. Even the pastor at my church has mentioned it. However, it’s funny that many of the restaurants that he likes to visit in Ellijay serve alcohol. I think that if they are going to run a successful attempt to stop liquor by-the-drink then they should abstain from any restaurant that serves alcohol as well as any grocery store that sells it. That way they can't be labeled as hypocrites. Put your money where the fork in your mouth is so-to-speak. If the local economy slows down anymore then the coffers are going to dwindle and there won't be that many people to minister to as most parishioners will have to leave to find jobs in other areas.
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:45 AM
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Great posts!! I thought I would add this, as it seems quite appropriate for the topic at hand.

"What has been the effect of religious coercion? To make half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites." ~Thomas Jefferson
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Old 08-27-2007, 08:56 AM
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Thanks. I just hate it when our religious leaders pick and choose which things they deem to me moral and immoral. If you don't support alcohol then go all the way and boycott any place that serves or sells it. Don't say that it’s immoral for it to be in FanninCounty, but A-ok if I go to East Ellijay and frequent those establishments. And if you are going to live by your words then that means no Longhorn’s, no Ruby Tuesday's, No Las Palmas, No restaurant that sells alcohol of any kind, no Ingles, no Food Lion, no Wal-Mart, no store of any kind that sells and distributes alcohol in any fashion. If you choose to abstain from the consumption of alcohol, then that’s fine, but do not under any circumstances try to take my choice away from me. When I read the Bible, I glean from the pages that a religious relationship was all about personal choice. It’s a choice to make good decisions and a choice to make bad decisions. Even if you choose to not believe in a Creator or Savior that is still your personal choice. If you do not consume alcohol then have a coke or a glass of tea. Nobody is making you drink alcohol. But let others have the freedom to make their own choice. Jesus wasn't a Socialist. He didn't come here to make us all equal. He came to give us another choice.
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Old 08-27-2007, 10:35 AM
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I was raised in a "fundie" Baptist home with the kind of mentality that is being displayed by the opposition to this issue. I was told of the evils of alcohol and have heard countless sermons on the topic. What affect did it have on me.... Made me want to see what all the fuss was about! I never understood however and it was never made clear to me why "Wine" was so frequently mentioned in the Bible. Jesus turned water into Wine (and it's NOT grape juice like they lead to believe...fermentation occurs!). If this were the case, why the warnings against drunkenness and the abuse of wine in the Bible? How did the partakers of the Lord's table at the church of Corinth get drunk on grape juice? Why would Paul say, "Be not drunk with wine?" The Bible even says a little wine is good for the stomach.

So what does the Bible "REALLY" say about the topic:

There are 247 references to wine and strong drink in the Bible that can be divided into 3 broad categories: positive references, negative references, and neutral references. By far the most numerous type of references to wine in the Bible (58 references, 24%) are the casual/positive references to wine as an integral, commonly accepted part of the culture. No value judgment is attached to it, anymore than people in our culture would attach a value judgment to a choice of iced tea or Diet Coke with a meal. These references show that in the minds of the writers of the Bible, no stigma was associated with casual use of alcohol. Nowhere, in these references or elsewhere, is it even remotely suggested that it is considered a "sin".

A reference to wine in connection with Jesus comes in the form of a false accusation from Pharisees, recorded in Luke 7:33. Jesus maintains that the Pharisees wouldn't be satisfied regardless of what he did. John the Baptist had evidently taken a vow of abstinence and they had accused him of having a demon. Jesus evidently took no such vow, but ate and drank openly and freely, so they accused him of being a glutton and a drunkard. If Jesus was a prohibitionist, the charge of being a drunkard would have been too ridiculous for such astute twisters of the truth as the Pharisees to have advanced. Jesus evidently drank wine to the extent that his enemies thought they could discredit him by spreading rumors that he was a drunkard.

If Jesus were on this earth today he wouldn't be riding on the Church bus to the county commissioner meeting.... or based on their hypocrisy, attending any of the local Fannin County churches for that matter,

The Bible has several warnings against drunkenness, but only one caution against the responsible use of alcohol in celebration and with meals. That caution is to be careful, when you are in fellowship with Christians with a weaker conscience, that you don't cause a brother to stumble.

and in conclusion and I'm off my soap box....

Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration, or a Sabbath day. Colossians 2:16

Some of the above information, which I found to be MOST appropriate for this topic was pasted from the following website:
http://www.wooga.drbacchus.com/bible/alcohol.html
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Old 08-28-2007, 08:11 AM
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Well according to some opinions in the News Observer allowing alcohol in Blue Ridge will see the arrival of drugs, prostitution, and gambling (The great trifecta of religious zealots). Well any rational person with a set of eyes and the ability to read would see numerous individuals in each week’s papers on drug charges of varying degree. So the idea of alcohol leading to drugs is just a fallacy. The county is currently dry and already we have a drug epidemic. Meth and prescription painkiller addiction is rampant throughout the Deep South. As far as prostitution goes, well, it is the oldest profession and so chances are that it’s been in Fannin County in some varying degree for some time. Heck its common knowledge that the Old Courthouse in Ellijay was once a house of ill-repute. So logic would dictate that Fannin has had its own red light districts. As far as the gambling goes, well look no further one of our local elected officials. You don't think he attended the rooster fights because he wanted a fried chicken dinner do you? Take a drive down most any road in the county. If you see the numerous chickens fenced in a yard, well chances are they are being raised to lay a golden egg for the owner.

However all of the talk of drugs, seedy illegal sex, booze flowing like water from a pristine creek, and bright neon lights casting an effervescent haze over our mountain landscapes begs the question. Do we really want our town to be turned into a mainstay attraction? All I can say is Viva Las Blue Ridge!!! I'M JUST JOKING PEOPLE AND YOU KNOW THIS!!!

COME ON YOU PEOPLE GIMME A BREAK!!! The idea that a sip of alcohol leads to this other entire hodgepodge is absolutely preposterous. Drugs, prostitution, and gambling are already here. It’s been here. It will always be here. If your little demagoguery succeeds and alcohol is not allowed in the county, then what are you going to do about those things that you have attributed to alcohol, which are still a problem? Are you going to sit on your blessed a$$urance knowing that you won the battle? However, the war of the hearts, minds, and souls rages on. Alcohol is not the problem. People are the problem. When are you people going to quit blaming this and that for your problems? People are poor because they didn’t win life’s lottery. No people are poor because they don’t get off their lazy butts and go the extra mile to make something of themselves. Alcohol makes people do bad things. No the bottle didn’t make somebody get drunk. They themselves choose to let something as inert as alcohol control them. COME ON PEOPLE GIMME A BREAK!!! Take some personal responsibility.

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Old 08-31-2007, 09:03 AM
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Im still waiting for a good alternative to be proposed.......anyone?
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